Our conversation will begin with a look at the key turning points in Jung’s creativity life as explored in Sparks’ new book The Call of Destiny: An Introduction to Carl Jung’s Major Works (2023). From there we will explore the matter and spirit issue as reflected on by Jung and Marie-Louise von Franz. We will look at the areas of accomplishment and research that his recognition of the link between spirit and matter has opened up.  These include synchronicity, psychosomatic medicine, the social function of dreams in a community, the prognostic capacity of dreams, his dialogues with Nobel laureate Wolfgang Pauli, the archetypal foundation of science (and why we should care), as well as the general theme of the convergence of Jungian psychology and quantum mechanics.

“The spirit and matter issue is something we are all being called to face. The task of our time is to make life in time and space, the relationship to physical events in life, the sacred altar of being.” 
– J. Gary Sparks

Where Do We Go From Here?

A Conversation with J. Gary Sparks

Hosted by Gary S. Bobroff and Cynthia Cavalli

95 min


Gary S. Bobroff is the founder of the JUNG Archademy and Jungian Online. He has a bachelor’s degree from the University of British Columbia, Canada and a master’s degree in Jungian-oriented counselling psychology from Pacifica Graduate Institute. He is the author of Knowledge In A Nutshell: Carl jung (2020) which is a Jungian psychology best seller.

Cynthia Cavalli, Ph. D., is a systems and organizational management consultant specializing in synchronicity, strategy development, future studies, and the dynamics of change and transformation. She has 30 years of experience in aerospace engineering, a Ph.D. in Human Systems, an MBA, and a BS in Physics.


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J. Gary Sparks

Jungian analyst and author J. Gary Sparks, BSEE, MDiv, MA, is a graduate of Bucknell University in Lewisburg, PA; the Pacific School of Religion in Berkeley, CA; and the C.G. Jung Institute in Zurich, Switzerland. He is the author of At the Heart of Matter: Synchronicity and Jung’s Spiritual Testament (2007), Valley of Diamonds: Adventures in Number and Time with Marie-Louise von Franz (2009), Carl Jung and Arnold Toynbee: The Social Meaning of Inner Work (2017), The Call of Destiny: An Introduction to Carl Jung’s Major Works (2023), and also co-editor of Edward F. Edinger’s Science of the Soul (2002) and editor of Edinger's Ego and Self: The Old Testament Prophets (2000). Based in Indianapolis, he is widely known for his lectures and seminars on the significance and application of Jungian psychology.